Talk:Barn owl

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Eastern barn owl split off[edit]

As was discussed at the bird project[1], but not brought up here for some reason, some subspecies have been split off into an eastern barn owl species. It would seem this article needs some reworking, so pinging the FA nominator Cwmhiraeth, and Shyamal who brought it up. FunkMonk (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Had a look at this again for the FAR list. It would still seem some updates about this split are warranted here, who recongises it and such. Also, it seems some unsourced text has been added since the FAC. FunkMonk (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been keeping my eye on the article and see little addition of unsourced text. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
You've removed some, but there is still this sentence: "Other research tools include using GPS trackers fitted onto the barn owl allowing precise location tracking of the owl." FunkMonk (talk) 22:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I have added a couple more references. I have just discovered that a student editor has been assigned the featured article Common starling as their article for improvement! Fortunately, they haven't done much yet ... Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Looks good. Any update on who recognises the split of the Eastern barn owl or not? FunkMonk (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
That's not my region of interest. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, but I think the article needs some sort of update, as was brought up at the bird project a few years ago. I'll try to ping MeegsC and Jts1882 (who are currently discussing similar issues at the project talk) then. Do you think the proposed split of the subspecies is sufficiently reflected here? FunkMonk (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
All of the world's main taxonomic bodies are finally getting together to hammer out a common list — about darn time! Unfortunately, it's likely to take a while. Fortunately, once it's done, all these "who agrees with what" conversations will be relegated to the past! I'll see what I can find. MeegsC (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
So maybe it's premature to add anything to the current text? In that case, I'll mark it as satisfactory. FunkMonk (talk) 16:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


Reviewing this version: This article could use some attention:

Jonesey95 could you find the sourcing? LittleJerry (talk) 23:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 Done. I'm not sure why my vast expertise was needed for this basic task, but I will AGF. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
  • There was MOS:SANDWICHing, which I attempted to address, but more significant is MOS:DONTHIDE and what to do with the large table in the "Taxonomy and etymology" section. (It could benefit from better image sizing, see example at White House Coronavirus Task Force.)
  • Please review for WP:OVERLINKing, (webcam does not need to be linked twice in a few sentences, for example).
  • With seven instances of however, some prose attention may be warranted (see the top of my user page).
  • Lots of clauses and complex modifiers in this run-on sentence: Of all raptorial birds, including unrelated groups such as accipitrids and falcons, if considered as a single global species, the barn owl is the second most widely distributed behind only the peregrine falcon (and perhaps having the second widest natural distribution of any land bird behind it as well) and wider-ranging than the also somewhat cosmopolitan osprey.
  • Redundancy: perhaps fewer than two hundred individuals still remain ... (and we don't know what citation belongs to that clause, or what date applies)
  • Tortured prose, sample: In some areas, it may be an insufficiency of suitable nesting sites that is the factor limiting barn owl numbers.
  • Why does it have singular wing but plural tail feathers? except on the remiges and rectrices (main wing and tail feathers) ... switch from plural plural to singular plural
  • WP:OVERLINK, examine whether every commonly known country needs linking.

These are only samples: I suggest this article could benefit from a GOCE visit and some tuning up of as of dates, sourcing, layout and citations. If these issues cannot be addressed, the article can be submitted to WP:FAR. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth? LittleJerry (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia, I listed this at GOCE. LittleJerry (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I've finished my GOCE copy edit. I've tried to address most of the prose concerns here. That does not include the WP:OVERLINK issue. Most of the language seemed attempts at precise and illustrative description, rather than descents into gobbledegook; but I have tried to heed the concerns here. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, I think the major issues have been addressed. LittleJerry (talk) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

On my list, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC)